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Will success in simulation transfer to real work?

The discussion examines the difficulty of transferring simulated success to complex real-world tasks.

John Schulman · Beren Millidge · Charlie O’Neill · Dwarkesh PodcastInterview: Source review: 2026-10-03

Dwarkesh Podcast · Video · 00:45:24

John Schulman · Beren Millidge · Charlie O’Neill

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What does this actually establish?

Source statusPublisher chapter at 00:45:24 · Not an independently verified outcome
Speaker contextResearchers from Thinking Machines, Zyphra and Baseten · a debate, not a consensus forecast
What remains openA simulation gap can vary by task; it does not show that all benchmarks are useless.

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Two ways this could unfold

More representative environments could improve transfer. Unmodeled constraints may still require separate validation.

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